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Thursday, January 8, 2009

YYZ-LHR

  • There is an incredible fare from NYC-LHR on AC for travel Mon-Wednesdays in the spring summer. It's a base fare of C$253 (booked in L class) which comes to $404.32 with taxes and fees from EWR. EWR is actually a bit more expensive than LGA, but because of the "jetsgo effect" you can do a one-way tango fare YYZ-EWR for C$169 with taxes and fees. Total is $573, and you can just discard your final YYZ-EWR coupon since you need to retrieve any baggage at YYZ anyway.

    The lowest YYZ-LHR price during July and August is C$961, so going via EWR you'd save approx $400.


  • Wow this is great. I can book (through AirCanada.ca) the following routing: LGA-YUL-LHR, LHR-YOW-LGA. I have no problems discarding the YOW-LGA ticket, but would it be greedy to discard the LGA-YUL portion as well?

    Also, I've used ITASoftware.com to build a LGA-YOW-LHR, LHR-YOW-LGA routing for the same price, but I can't book that through Air Canada's website. Would a TA be able to book that for me? (And would it be too greedy to discard the LGA-YOW, YOW-LGA portions of that ticket?


  • Wow this is great. I can book (through AirCanada.ca) the following routing: LGA-YUL-LHR, LHR-YOW-LGA. I have no problems discarding the YOW-LGA ticket, but would it be greedy to discard the LGA-YUL portion as well?

    Also, I've used ITASoftware.com to build a LGA-YOW-LHR, LHR-YOW-LGA routing for the same price, but I can't book that through Air Canada's website. Would a TA be able to book that for me? (And would it be too greedy to discard the LGA-YOW, YOW-LGA portions of that ticket?

    You would not be allowed to board in YOW or YUL to LHR without using the first portion of the ticket. As Empress noted, you are entitled to a stopover, so if you have a trip to NY already planned before going to the UK, you could use it in combination with a oneway tango fare and have the stopover in YOW on the outbound.

    You really shouldn't be discarding the last (YUL/YOW-LGA) coupon either but at that point there's not a whole lot that an airline can do. I would recommend booking today because it is likely that this fare won't last for much longer.


  • FYI, the fare changes depending on the month:

    [Mon - Wed]
    Oct 28 - Dec 17 & Dec 28 - Apr 4: $253 base
    Apr 5 - May 30 & Sep 2 - Oct 27 & Dec 18 - Dec 23: $396 base
    May 31 - Sep 1: $662 base

    Beware if you're flying Jetsgo to EWR, they always have nasty delays!

    Btw, I think AC loaded in the seasons incorrectly! So grab them while you can.

    OK, the seasons are certainly different than when I first posted (and for at least a couple of days beforehand). In fact the $253 base had gone right through the summer. The NYC-LHR was actually first noted by FTer stockmanjr who was asking me some questions about it on FT Chat, so I can't take all the credit.

    Right now, I'm seeing a $290 base during the summer months including July and August (Q basis), so it has gone up but not by much.

    No need to fly SG to EWR since AC is within $10 with a tango fare.

    For the poster asking about YOW, you can actually set it up so that you don't have to route through YYZ on the return.
    Sample mid summer dates:

    FIRST TICKET - oneway YOW-LGA tango fare $257 with taxes (knock $70 off this if you want to do YOW-EWR but that would involve an extra connection)

    AC310 YOW LGA Jul 19, 2004 15:00 16:17

    SECOND TICKET - the NYC-LHR fare. I have pieced this together on travelocity. Prices to C$443 including taxes.

    AC753 LGA YUL July 19 19:50 21:10
    AC838 YUL LHR July 19 22:30 10:00
    AC889 LHR YOW July 27 15:15 17:50
    AC308 YOW LGA July 28 (forced overnight) 6:00 7:15 (throwaway portion)

    Total comes to $700. Bit more than the other fare but saves you going to YYZ and the cost of that.

    ALTERNATE OPTION (cheaper, but extra segment)

    FIRST TICKET - YOW-EWR tango fare ($193)
    AC495 YOW-YUL 13:40 14:21
    AC1076 YUL-EWR 15:20 16:49

    SECOND TICKET - taking advantage of EWR and LGA co-terminals, and again pieced together on travelocity (C$443)
    AC1079 EWR YUL 19:35 21:02
    AC838 YUL LHR 22:30 10:00
    AC889 LHR YOW July 27 15:15 17:50
    AC308 YOW LGA July 28 (forced overnight) 6:00 7:15 (throwaway portion)

    Total is $636. There are actually some fares that are $20 cheaper on the NYC-LHR for whatever reason, so play around a bit. Note that AC phone reservations should also be able to price something like this. Either way you are saving a bunch of money because for July and August the lowest YOW-LHR fare prices at $1200 including taxes.


  • FYI, the fare changes depending on the month:

    [Mon - Wed]
    Oct 28 - Dec 17 & Dec 28 - Apr 4: $253 base
    Apr 5 - May 30 & Sep 2 - Oct 27 & Dec 18 - Dec 23: $396 base
    May 31 - Sep 1: $662 base

    Beware if you're flying Jetsgo to EWR, they always have nasty delays!

    Btw, I think AC loaded in the seasons incorrectly! So grab them while you can.

    You mean if we wanted to fly in July, the fare should really be $662 base?


  • 1) Can a Canadian-based person take advantage of this fare or do you need an US-based credit card to pay for it.You can certainly take advantage of it. This fare is available directly from AC so you can just call them up to book it or book it on any booking engine out there (Expedia, Destina, AC's website...). You don't need to be a US resident or use a US credit card.

    2) Since we live in Ottawa, we'd need to collect our bags etc.. in YYZ and catch a flight back to YOW. If we were discarding the YYZ-EWR portion, would it be wise to book a YYZ-YOW flight with AC or will that raise some questions?It really doesn't matter. As long as you don't do throwaway ticketing on a regular basis, they won't hassle you.


  • Yeah, the fare is still there. Tried it out on AC.com a while ago for some random dates in Aug. The fare basis is QLXAPUS2 and Aug is definitely high season for Europe. That's why I think AC loaded in the season wrong. (Those fares were just loaded in on the 30th so they might not have caught on yet)


  • I got an excellent fare earlier this year for YVR-LHR this summer, so this is not immediately applicable to me.

    But I did notice that LAX-LHR is also in on the sale, and an AlaskaAir or HMY ticket to LAX is not that expensive. However, my concern would be on the return. So for future reference, how can you force Air Canada to put you on a routing that goes through YVR (of course you can choose such a routing, but theoretically AC could change it). Someone mentioned booking a stopover in YVR - is that possible with these tickets?


  • There is nothing new about this fare from either NYC or LAX, as AC regularly posts it as a match to the lowest local market fare offered by US carriers.

    The fare may not be new, but the fact that it is available during July and August is. There is absolutely no basis for comparison among the other carriers. For summer departures, comparing AC's C$290 base fare to the other carriers, no one even comes close. From NYC, Kuwait and Iceland have a base fare of about C$600 and most of the US and UK carriers are around C$800.... Unless AC has such a poor reputation in the US that it needs to undercut by about 60% to effectively "match" the other airlines :D


  • Could you help me out here, as this sound too good to be true.

    My wife and I would love to take advantage of this offer to visit relatives in London. But I have a couple of questions:

    1) Can a Canadian-based person take advantage of this fare or do you need an US-based credit card to pay for it.

    2) Since we live in Ottawa, we'd need to collect our bags etc.. in YYZ and catch a flight back to YOW. If we were discarding the YYZ-EWR portion, would it be wise to book a YYZ-YOW flight with AC or will that raise some questions?

    Thanks in advance.


  • FYI, the fare changes depending on the month:

    [Mon - Wed]
    Oct 28 - Dec 17 & Dec 28 - Apr 4: $253 base
    Apr 5 - May 30 & Sep 2 - Oct 27 & Dec 18 - Dec 23: $396 base
    May 31 - Sep 1: $662 base

    Beware if you're flying Jetsgo to EWR, they always have nasty delays!

    Btw, I think AC loaded in the seasons incorrectly! So grab them while you can.


  • There is nothing new about this fare from either NYC or LAX, as AC regularly posts it as a match to the lowest local market fare offered by US carriers. Many of us used it last fall from both cities. It comes and goes, but can generally be counted on to exist if you want to do the NYC airport shuffle. And note that AC's flights into/from EWR [and often LGA] seem to be consistently delayed, so be prepared for a tight connection at your Cdn airport, with the possibility of missing it altogether. The NYC flights are generally turnarounds, so keep that in mind for scheduling too.

    While it is true that airlines are unlikely to audit and catch you if you don't use the final flight segment, you could be caught and liable to pay the full real fare between LHR and the city you arrived at, which will be more than the NYC fare. Known as "hidden city" fares, this is a breach of the tarriff and if the ticket is issued by a TA, airlines often do come after them for the fare difference.


  • So for future reference, how can you force Air Canada to put you on a routing that goes through YVR (of course you can choose such a routing, but theoretically AC could change it). Someone mentioned booking a stopover in YVR - is that possible with these tickets?What do you mean by 'force' AC to put you on that routing? Most international fares work on MPM (Maximum Permitted Mileage) basis. So as long as your routing stays within that number (6530 each way for LAX-LHR), then you can ask for that routing. But looking at this particular sale LAX-LHR fare, in addition to MPM, they also have a specific routing in the rule that you must take in order to get the fare; which is either via YVR or YYC.

    And yes, stopover in YVR is possible on this fare. (You're allowed 1 stopover on this fare)







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