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Thursday, January 8, 2009

YEG-SEA going back to CR7s April 1, 2006

  • I like this as it cuts about 15 minutes from the flight time. Otherwise I find the equipment comparable to the Q400. Calgary gets a mix of CR7 and Q400 and in summer the non-stop 737 to LAX will once again go to a routing via SEA.

    Wonder where they are getting the equipment.


  • CRJs delayed to July 10. 2 daily, plus one DH4.

    Beware that customs may close 60 min before departure as the QX flight is the only one at 6pm unless there are charters.


  • That really is poor since there are no direct flights SFO-FAI and the airport codes aren't even remotely similar.

    Most likely it never got off the plane at SEA, as the plane continued on to FAI from SEA.


  • The OP's SFO aircraft did not continue to FAI.

    Guess it's time for a remedial reading course for the Menzies (sic) folk, since they seem to have confused FAI for YEG. :o


  • I like this as it cuts about 15 minutes from the flight time. Otherwise I find the equipment comparable to the Q400. Calgary gets a mix of CR7 and Q400 and in summer the non-stop 737 to LAX will once again go to a routing via SEA.

    Wonder where they are getting the equipment.

    New aircraft.


  • Most likely it never got off the plane at SEA, as the plane continued on to FAI from SEA.

    The OP's SFO aircraft did not continue to FAI.


  • Well, we probably wouldn't have these problems if airfares weren't at historical lows (in inflation-adjusted dollars). Otherwise, see sxf24's comments above. It's not fun to be delayed for hours, but if we want to pay Wal-mart prices...

    Exactly. If yields were higher and loads were lower, utilization could drop without negatively affecting the bottom line.

    You also have to remember that weather in PDX and GEG has been wrecking havok on the schedule the past few days resulting in delays (2 hours for me yesterday as well).


  • These flights do have on-time issues and they are the flights I use most. The 6pm to SEA almost always leaves about 20 mins late and the return is frequently delayed as well. Maybe they will do a bit better with the CR7s.


  • I think I am through with this late AS flight SEA-YEG as they simply cannot stick to schedule...it seems ever. Last night a 45 min delay. While 45 min is not a big deal at most times, it is aggrevating when the flight is scheduled to arrive at midnight and so arrives closer to 1 am. PLEASE FIX THIS :mad:

    Also, now it will be 2 CRJs and one DH4 later in the summer.


  • There was a complicating factor. Since the 6:02pm to SEA was delayed to 7:30 and the 7:00 was on time and would connect to the 1+ hour delayed flight to YEG they put me on the 7pm but the computer would NOT issue a baggage tag (possibly due to some part of the system figuring based on scheduled departure times the bag would misconnect in SEA). As such the agent put on a manual tag to SEA --> YEG. I asked about the bag at SEA but they could not locate it at that time and we were leaving so feared the worst.


  • That is apalling. Surely QX needs to address this. Very poor indeed.


  • I don't care what kind of plane they use on this route. What I would like is for the evening flights 2319 and 2318 to actually leave on time once in a while! :mad: :td:

    On November 8th I went 3-for-3 on 2319 to spend an evening in SEA rather than connect to 448 to ONT. If I try this again I may pre-book a room at the Comfort Inn.... :td:

    Last night on 2318 we left at 22:00 or so rather than on schedule.


  • Where are AS2318 and AS2319 coming from? I assume the plane does not bounce back and forth between SEA and YEG, but perhaps it should? SEA-YEG is probably a captive market, so AS could just raise fares to cover the loss of aircraft utilization (if the plane is doing other runs), though if they are upgauging to a CRJ-700, I am guessing traffic is improving?

    Or is a schedule change being planned to reduce frequencies, which requires more capacity per flight?


  • Where are AS2318 and AS2319 coming from? I assume the plane does not bounce back and forth between SEA and YEG, but perhaps it should? SEA-YEG is probably a captive market, so AS could just raise fares to cover the loss of aircraft utilization (if the plane is doing other runs), though if they are upgauging to a CRJ-700, I am guessing traffic is improving?

    Or is a schedule change being planned to reduce frequencies, which requires more capacity per flight?

    AS2319 is the bounce back of AS2316 SEA-YEG so this is just pathetic service as the final flight of the day SEA-YEG is 2318.

    AS2319 is supposed to feed connections especially LAX or the Disneyland route. Lots of families end up stranded overnight in SEA and can't re-connect until the third or fourth flight out (i.e., AS292) since the first flights are always sold out. It's absolutely sad to see AS/QX start out so many peoples' vacations with their young families on such a sour note.

    Me, I need the points to re-qualify for CO Gold but after three overnights in SEA in a row I'm sick and tired of it. HP at least gets me to ONT when promised....

    P.S. Raise fares!! :eek: Run some sample fares YEG-ONT or LAX and see what they charge already before you encourage them....


  • Got the bag back last night. Horizon will deposit 4000 miles into my account for the delay/missing bag issue. I also mentioned that my bag was delayed the last time I checked luggage with them in April as well. 4000 miles for an award flight seems fair ;)


  • Yesterday:

    "Flight status is updated as new information becomes available. Please check back often for the latest information.

    Flight: 2318 Alaska Tracker will be available when flight is airborne.
    From: Seattle to Edmonton
    Departing first city on Thursday, December 01, 2005

    Gate Departure Time Gate Arrival Time
    From Scheduled Actual To Scheduled Actual
    Seattle 9:00 PM 12:04 AM Edmonton 11:50 PM 2:50 AM"

    Why is this happening all the time. I am on this flight in 2 weeks and I will NOT be pleased if I arrive at 3AM!!


  • My luggage is also in Fairbanks!! :mad:

    This is the second time in a row that AS/QX has not delivered my bag to me upon arrival. Poor IMHO.


  • These flights do have on-time issues and they are the flights I use most. The 6pm to SEA almost always leaves about 20 mins late and the return is frequently delayed as well. Maybe they will do a bit better with the CR7s.

    Just for fun I ran these flight numbers through the flightstats database:

    http://www.flightstats.com/go/Rating/queryProcess.do

    AS 2319 has an overall rating of 0.3 out of a possible 5 (i.e., very poor). With regard to delay flightstats reports:

    "This flight has an average delay of 43.0 minutes with a standard deviation of 51.85 minutes. Statistically, when controlling for sample size, standard deviation, and mean, this flight has delay performance characteristics better than 0% of other flights."

    I'm pretty sure better than 0% is another way of saying last place.

    AS 2318 is slightly better with an overall rating of 1.1 out of 5. Here's the blurb about its delays:

    "This flight has an average delay of 28.0 minutes with a standard deviation of 35.94 minutes. Statistically, when controlling for sample size, standard deviation, and mean, this flight has delay performance characteristics better than 15% of other flights."

    Hopefully the new equipment helps.


  • Flight: 2319 Alaska Tracker will be available when flight is airborne.
    From: Edmonton to Seattle
    Departing first city on Sunday, December 04, 2005

    Gate Departure Time Gate Arrival Time
    From Scheduled Actual To Scheduled Actual
    Edmonton 5:55 PM ETD 08:21 PM Seattle 7:00 PM ETA 09:05 PM

    Inbound arriving at 8:08pm so no way its leaving at 8:21, more likely at 8:50pm.

    Really BRUTAL.

    PS - yesterday this flight was scrubbed altogether!


  • Guess it's time for a remedial reading course for the Menzies (sic) folk, since they seem to have confused FAI for YEG. :o

    Sorry to hear about your troubles Altaflyer but :D for the comment SEA_Tigger...


  • My luggage is also in Fairbanks!! :mad:

    This is the second time in a row that AS/QX has not delivered my bag to me upon arrival. Poor IMHO.

    Were you traveling from FAI or did it mysteriously end up there?


  • Sorry, I guess that was not clear!!

    I was travelling from SFO-SEA-YEG!! :confused:

    That really is poor since there are no direct flights SFO-FAI and the airport codes aren't even remotely similar.

    You should ask for the miles your bag earned. :D


  • So now I have a reason to write and ask why this keeps on happening as I sit in the Boardroom looking at a 11:10pm departure, a 2+ hour delay. Arghhh :mad:

    Well, we probably wouldn't have these problems if airfares weren't at historical lows (in inflation-adjusted dollars). Otherwise, see sxf24's comments above. It's not fun to be delayed for hours, but if we want to pay Wal-mart prices...


  • A CR7 seats 4 fewer than a Q400 and they are not changing frequency. This is a fairly long sector, 558 miles for a prop aircraft. There is quite a bit of regional jet competition in YEG so I suspect its a matter of remaining in the game.

    I truly hope they go for a n/s to LAX as this market could really use such a service.


  • Sorry, I guess that was not clear!!

    I was travelling from SFO-SEA-YEG!! :confused:


  • I am booked on AS 2319 YEG-SEA on 5/6. AA's site (where I booked it) and AS's site still shows Dash4. IS it really a CRJ? If so, what are the exit rows?

    Also, on a Sat. night, how long are the lines and the customs clearing formalities at YEG? I guess knowing that they are ALWAYS late may be advantagous for me this one time, as I will be cutting it close.

    Thanks for your response.


  • That is apalling. Surely QX needs to address this. Very poor indeed.

    It is being addressed. QX is stretched very thing and mechanicals can send ripples through the entire system, especially with DH4s (maintenance hogs). A better on-time percentage could be achieved through less utilization, but that means fewer flights and much higher fares. QX is doing the best to give passengers what they want (more frequencies, lower fares) with the equipment they have.


  • So now I have a reason to write and ask why this keeps on happening as I sit in the Boardroom looking at a 11:10pm departure, a 2+ hour delay. Arghhh :mad:







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