Thursday, January 8, 2009
Supercomfort to Club to Premium Y??
I guess the new product name is a much better description of what the offering actually is - would I be correct in assuming Club was too confusing with the uninformed expecting something far different to what was offered ??
The second link in particular shows last year's/current Club routes now branded as Premium Economy.
http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/onboard/cabincomfort.html
http://www.aircanada.com/en/travelinfo/onboard/clubclass.html
http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/oneway/uk/index.html?src=ad_lb
The last link shows the new name on the UK route structure - still with the wording about 125% miles. I'm hoping that's not an error and it still earns the extra miles on all routes S is used on.
BA is 50K for 3WT, 75K for WT+, and 100K for NCW (J). Will AC still charge full Business Class points to redeem in Premium Economy?
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Perfect. It is half-assed.
On the 762, the seat pitch is identical to what BA advertises for World Traveller+ (premium economy) and is 0.5" narrower than what www.seatguru.com quotes for WT+. So it's an accurate description.
On BA WT+ is about $500 more than 3WT (Third-World Traveller) for Canada-LHR. What's the typical price premium for AC's product?
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Many carriers tried to get away with this same configuration on overseas flights after the 767 was introduced into service, so there is nothing misleading about calling it Business Class for that is what it is within the NAmerican context. However, now that most all carriers have gone to 55-inch pitch, seating on 767s have taken many variations.
The root of the problem was the 767's narrow body which did not properly permit wide enough seats in what we now take to be business class. However, only a few airlines adopted AC's approach of 2-2-1 or some variant thereof (five across rather than six across). Remember, all coach seating is 2-3-2 on 767s, but business still varies.
For example, the following airlines still do overseas J/C with 2-2-2 on their 767s: KLM, LOT, SAS and even AA, UA and US. As well as Gulf Air, EVA Air and several others. Only a few do five-across on their overseas routes.
When AC replaces these seats with the new domestic J ones, pitch will appear greater even if it is not much more than the present pitch.
AC's reason for changing from Club to Premium Economy is that within the UK market, Club is associated with BA's version of business class, which of course AC's service on these aircraft definitely are not. Given the trade off it is a fair name for the product being offered.
I thought Air Transat and the others provided extra legroom but not wider seats? I'm on dial-up so I can't check right now.
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Zoom just give you more legroom, AT have wider seats with 7 across at the front of an A330 vs 9 at the back, plus more legroom
Come join me on a Dash or RJ Skidoo sometime. ;) The seats don't recline on the former and very little on the latter.No meal service to speak of, and wait a minute,no J service either. :D
My choice is less than yours. :eek:
Why not compare with BA? Seat pitch is the same, width is similar, power in every seat.
I thought Air Transat and the others provided extra legroom but not wider seats? I'm on dial-up so I can't check right now.
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best seat on the 767 is 12ACHK, anyone who has sat in it recently would probably agree with me.
Of course it's better to sit in the front of a 762 rather than the back, but let's not spend too much time defending a product that is mediocre at best, and IMO certainly not competitive with the premium economy cabins on Virgin and BA. It's not just a question of seat pitch, which we can all look up and compare to the last fraction of an inch, but also the overall ambience, which on the 762 is like being in a particularly tattered and grubby timewarp.
AC A380
when you have the pleasure of sitting on the 767 as much as I do it is hard to make me happy. I probably end up spending more time on this aircraft than all other aircrafts combined, and rarely is it by choice.
You started the year off so well and now falling back into form... :td: When you have had the pleasure of sitting in the back of the 762's for six months week-in and week-out commuting for work than you would have something to complain about that would garner more support from this forum. Whining about sitting in the front given the (in)frequency of your travels is not going to get anyone here all that motivated to support your cause.
s9- it is indeed difficult to make you happy.
The 767 is far better than the Dash8/CRJ/737/F28/Bae146 options that still haul around most of the world. If you are "stuck" with 767 J you are in better shape than most of us! Just take a flight on the AirDolimiti D8-400 Business Class service for a reasonable 1000 EUR roundtrip for a 30 minute flight (ie VCE-MUC) and you will be really happy with your crappy 767 option.
It is tough to make you happy. :confused:
when you have the pleasure of sitting on the 767 as much as I do it is hard to make me happy. I probably end up spending more time on this aircraft than all other aircrafts combined, and rarely is it by choice.
So in one thread you said you only book 763's and now you say this...hypocrisy is common with you it appears
Seems like a particularly Orwellian explanation, given that Club Class was "introduced" by AC very recently while BA have used the Club moniker for many years. A more convincing explanation, although I'm speculating, is that AC realized it couldn't fool enough of the people enough of the time.
Yeah, but it has a bigger recline than the 320.
767 business class is fine. It's domestic business class and not international. They haven't tried to market it as that.
It is tough to make you happy. :confused:
That actually looks like a really cool plane. :-D I don't think anyone in North America uses them.
767 business class is fine. It's domestic business class and not international. They haven't tried to market it as that.
I haven't noticed a difference in recline between the two. Given the pitch of the 767 now, the recline is too much, they really should reduce it, as when the person in front reclines, you cannot even get the tray table out.
Secondly, if you're considering it as a domestic business class product, no one else has domestic J, so AC will always be better than the competition in that respect.
I totally agree that the 762 needs significant updating.
shore9, cool it. The 762s aren't bad at all. And frankly, sitting in 762 J seats is much better than sitting in the back.
I guess it's just a question of, is your glass half empty, or half full?
shore9, cool it. The 762s aren't bad at all. And frankly, sitting in 762 J seats is much better than sitting in the back.
I guess it's just a question of, is your glass half empty, or half full?
Have to agree with the Kid on this! These seats are far better than the joke for buz class within Europe on LH and others.
Mind you I do prefer the ExecFirst seats on the 763s, and these seats on AC are far more comfy & superior to UALs J seats on its 763s which are 2x2x2.
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