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Thursday, January 8, 2009

Slightly OT: Canadians sometimes require I-94 through CLT

  • I travelled to SJO on US through their gateway in CLT. When I got back I was heading to my client site in FLL. While lined up to go through immigration the person guiding the line asked if I had my forms filled out. I did. He then asked if I was staying in the US. I told him I was.

    He then informed me that Canadians are not required I-94, however, it is the policy of this airport (CLT) that Canadians staying longer than 7 hours are required to fill out a I-94. I show him my TN Visa and he was happy. He said normally all the Canadians get upset when they find out they have to fill out the I-94.

    Just want to give you a heads up if you do plan to stay in the US when entering via CLT.

    Cheers


  • They stopped stamping MULTIPLE ENTRY on mine a few years ago.

    Mine, issued this year, does not bear MULTIPLE ENTRY on it either but I am pretty sure there is no restriction on how often I can go between Canada and U.S.


  • This is a new one for I-94s. I thought the only time that Canadians were required to complete an I94 was if they had a work visa for the US. Also, another quirk is if you leave the US, you are supposed to surrender the card, unless you are going to Canada, then you can keep it. The grey area is when you are travelling internationally via Canada. Techinically, you are supposed to also have it removed, but most times, they tell me to keep it in my passport for my return.

    I have not had a TN1 is a few years, but I thought that served as the official I94 slip?


  • What either would do is unclear. Return it to US immigration? Throw it in the garbage? one or the other depending upon the mood of the person? In any event, neither mechanism seems particularly reliable, since neither is an agent of Homeland insecurity.



    I think they must turn it over to US immigration because if you're leaving from LGA, Air Canada won't take it because it's not an international airport and as there is no US immigration they tell you to turn it into Canadian customs when you land.


  • Interesting to find this topic, as I was just wondering about this due to my trip to Ireland this weekend. First time I've heard of having to surrender.

    Can anyone provide a link to the information on when to surrender your I-94? I looked at the US immigration websites, but couldn't find anything that discussed that one needs to surrender your I-94.

    If you surender the TN on an international journey then when you enter the US do they put an expiry date the same as the original TN visa?

    I am a Canadian on a TN Visa, and this past weekend flew to Ireland from Philadelphia.

    The airport employee took my I-94 out of my passport. This is happened before to me when flying to Canada, and so I told her because it was a TN visa, it should stay with the passport. She shugged her shoulders and gave me the I-94 back.

    When coming back through pre-clearance at Shannon, Ireland yesterday, the guard took the I-94 (which I had stapled back into my passport), and told me to fill out a new I-94 as I had left the "contigous area." I was in a rush to catch a flight, so I didn't question what the contiguous area was, but I assume the NAFTA countries.

    I filled out the new form, they stamped it with the date and wrote the original expiry date of my I-94 above the stamp. So, the answer seems to be that you get the original date.

    If I-94 has "MULTIPLE ENTRY" stamped on it then it won't be removed.

    They stopped stamping MULTIPLE ENTRY on mine a few years ago.


  • When coming back through pre-clearance at Shannon, Ireland yesterday, the guard took the I-94 (which I had stapled back into my passport), and told me to fill out a new I-94 as I had left the "contigous area." I was in a rush to catch a flight, so I didn't question what the contiguous area was, but I assume the NAFTA countries.

    The contiguous area includes Canada, Mexico, and select carribean countries (the countries covered by the WHTI I believe). You're supposed to surrender the I-94 before leaving that zone and get a new one when you re-enter.


  • It used to be that US immigration would tell you that if you expected to return to the US witihn the valifity of an I-94 or I-94W (for visa waiver countries), you should keep it.

    Recently, it seems they tell you to surrender it. This said, the mechanisms are that either the airline taking you out of the US or, if by road, Canadian immigration, would take it.

    What either would do is unclear. Return it to US immigration? Throw it in the garbage? one or the other depending upon the mood of the person? In any event, neither mechanism seems particularly reliable, since neither is an agent of Homeland insecurity.

    There has been some talk whereby the surrenderred forms might be used to check for visa overstays. Which sounds either unlikely, or incredibly foolish. But then, nothing would really surprise me from US bureaucracy.

    (As it happens, last time I went to the US, the airline *did not* take mine from my passport. And I was not paying attention. Oh well...)
    At Canadian airports with customs, you surrender it to the customs officer who gives it to an immigration officer who gives it to a CBP officer. The intent is to check visa overstays. It's not fool proof, but it's a good idea.


  • This is a new one for I-94s. I thought the only time that Canadians were required to complete an I94 was if they had a work visa for the US. Also, another quirk is if you leave the US, you are supposed to surrender the card, unless you are going to Canada, then you can keep it. The grey area is when you are travelling internationally via Canada. Techinically, you are supposed to also have it removed, but most times, they tell me to keep it in my passport for my return.

    I have not had a TN1 is a few years, but I thought that served as the official I94 slip?

    Question for you neuron. If you surender the TN on an international journey then when you enter the US do they put an expiry date the same as the original TN visa? I've left from the US on international trips and never have had the TN taken. I suspect when the airline see a Cdn passport they don't think I-94. I returned back from AMS last wkend via IAD and this was the first time anyone had ever said that I should have surrendered the form. It just seemed strange as I was out of the country for just 6 days. In any event, he just kept the same one in there instead of having us fill out the form.

    Cheers


  • This is a new one for I-94s. I thought the only time that Canadians were required to complete an I94 was if they had a work visa for the US. Also, another quirk is if you leave the US, you are supposed to surrender the card, unless you are going to Canada, then you can keep it. The grey area is when you are travelling internationally via Canada. Techinically, you are supposed to also have it removed, but most times, they tell me to keep it in my passport for my return.

    If I-94 has "MULTIPLE ENTRY" stamped on it then it won't be removed.

    At first glance of the thread title I thought we were talking about interstates :)


  • Question for you neuron. If you surender the TN on an international journey then when you enter the US do they put an expiry date the same as the original TN visa? I've left from the US on international trips and never have had the TN taken. I suspect when the airline see a Cdn passport they don't think I-94. I returned back from AMS last wkend via IAD and this was the first time anyone had ever said that I should have surrendered the form. It just seemed strange as I was out of the country for just 6 days. In any event, he just kept the same one in there instead of having us fill out the form.

    Cheers


    sing-along

    Sorry, reading my post, I should clarify I have not had to give up my I94 while on a TN, but have had to get a new I94 while on an H1B. When I had the TN, I flew from CAI-FRA-IAD and I was told that I should have returned my I94. I did ask at checkin for my exUS flight about this and the airline said they did not know if they had to collect it as I was from Canada. This was a few months after 911, when the rules were not being enforced as rigidly as they are now. I did have to surrender my I94 form (H1B) travelling from LAX-BKK, though this was only after I reminded the airline agent.

    It seems that they do use these forms to monitor overstays, as a few foreigners have been denied entry (according to news reports) based on this type of information.


  • When I was flying charter to the USA, I was always amazed how each airport required different forms and different rules. Customs has too much power to make it up as they go.


  • Question for you neuron. If you surender the TN on an international journey then when you enter the US do they put an expiry date the same as the original TN visa? I've left from the US on international trips and never have had the TN taken. I suspect when the airline see a Cdn passport they don't think I-94. I returned back from AMS last wkend via IAD and this was the first time anyone had ever said that I should have surrendered the form. It just seemed strange as I was out of the country for just 6 days. In any event, he just kept the same one in there instead of having us fill out the form.


    It used to be that US immigration would tell you that if you expected to return to the US witihn the valifity of an I-94 or I-94W (for visa waiver countries), you should keep it.

    Recently, it seems they tell you to surrender it. This said, the mechanisms are that either the airline taking you out of the US or, if by road, Canadian immigration, would take it.

    What either would do is unclear. Return it to US immigration? Throw it in the garbage? one or the other depending upon the mood of the person? In any event, neither mechanism seems particularly reliable, since neither is an agent of Homeland insecurity.

    There has been some talk whereby the surrenderred forms might be used to check for visa overstays. Which sounds either unlikely, or incredibly foolish. But then, nothing would really surprise me from US bureaucracy.

    (As it happens, last time I went to the US, the airline *did not* take mine from my passport. And I was not paying attention. Oh well...)







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